talk allot

Where do we stand, I was wondering for a while, but I never thought to write something about it, that is to be a national or a religious or national- religious, in that order national and then religious.

we grew in society that its riches just became internationalized, before then no one, heck anyone non muslim at least knew about that place, our parents grew with these traditions that has been passed to them from their parents, and of course their parents knew of else in the world except to find ends meet.
Sometimes ends meet requires heading north, and leave what their home, for a new one up north.
Wherever they came from (grand parents) for us it was never clear, and questions always were met with no answers, who we are, what we are. This all comes in the midst of national reforms, in class a guy enters the class rooms and asks who is a saudi stand up, who is not just remain sit, I stood for both calls, I went to my father and asked which are we and he just laughed this is something unique about growing up saudi, its in way a big joke. Ambiguous rules that applies to neither party in a game, to the audience it punishment, I came here and I found no difference, I talk to white people here and see how they pretend what their four father had had created for them.

I was reading a comment by a I would assume a white male, about the recently free jill carol, and how he was making fun, of how she was wearing head scarf, and looking terrorist, and he goes on, and the bottom saying stuff like she might have loved the kidnaper and so on, and how she might hate white males who talk about equality for women, and women rights and all that, he is right on one part perhaps two, they just talk and talk allot.

becum

I was chatting with a friend, earlier today, I always had the impression that things might had changed but is seems hope is nowhere near what realty is.
Family values did not necessarily plummet, cant remember when it was on healthy bases, it seems that fucking is becoming what more able people used to do, only more now its spread, where are you heading? And for how long? Who would want to take the lead of the direction of the intercourse, where is the desired destinations campus pointing to.
When religious phonies will be satisfied, people do seem to understand its just that they wont comply with more stricter rules, its always been the same problem, they cant seem to look like the people you would want to be around when they preach, with dangling bellies, and half trimmed beard black and shiny, their smile indicated good health and elusive punishment,
They both groups understand that both like the same thing, both know what the other likes and do, only difference is one is armed and one is not,
In here they choose to ignore, ignore that fact of their impotence, here the just bullshit, all the time, they know their weak they know they as human are gone far, here it is a big Inc
, and people meet fuck eat together on different lunch breaks , they claim freedom, but salves they are eversince that strayed foot landed, its caught just like those , on streets over nights and day. 3abeed not for many for one, one that has a belly, eats from mouth, and shits and they eat where he shits.

American Identity last

. However such practices of cruel vengeance was not enough. By the war’s end, the Algonquian population in New England had been drastically and permanently reduce (Lepore 43). Of those who escaped such fate a worse one, it might be argued, awaited them. After certain battles “Captives,” Lepore writes “were almost surely sold into foreign slavery or, if children, placed into service with an English family” (135). Contrasting radically with the terms of captivity the Indian held to, for “English people owned themselves; Indians did not.” Says Lepore (135). Yet another fate waited those who survived captivity or death.
The Indians were driven to, what I perceive as the forefather to concentration camps, so called Deer Island where Lepore writes “the hundreds of Indians on the small island had few resources with which to feed and shelter themselves for the winter, and the provisions they received were inadequate” (139). And further write, “Those Indians who tried to escape from Deer Island could be killed, while others were illegally taken from the island and sold as slaves” (139).
I think more then anything fear had aided greatly in shaping the American character. In all its endeavors I think the United State was compelled by fear and carried out by extreme pragmatism. As their settlers forefathers American of the twentieth century illustrate this point in almost all their dealings with any threat, real or imagined, to their authority. The tormenting hearings of senator McCarthy, the mob lynching of African-Americans and abhorrent treatments they suffered during the civil rights era; and the most extreme of all reaction the dropping of the nuclear bomb on Japan. “Terminate with extreme prejudice.”
I have heard the sentence uttered time and again on TV and in print by presidents and military leaders, of past and present and I think it sums up how American react and why they are driven to have the best of things then the other party. Whoever that other party is. Like the colonist who strove to protect themselves by any means so are contemporary Americans acting in the same deplorable way they say they are fighting. So I guess in the end it is true. The weapons change but the words and the sentiments behind them stays the same.

American Identity part 4

The settlers saw the Indian and feared their fate. They wondered in earnest if they would degenerate to the ostensible savagery of the Indians. From the time of their first arrival, in the 1620 and 1630, the settlers had worried about losing their Englishness (Lepore 5). The colonists had asked themselves a question concerning the origin of the natives. If they were in fact natives then their savagery is explained. “But if the Indians were migrants from Europe or Asia, then they had changed since coming to America and had been contaminated by its savage environment. If this were the case, as many believed, then the English could expect to degenerate, too.” Wrote Lepore (6). The settlers also feared losing their lands and their houses. In fact as Lepore further writes “For most colonists the loss of habitations became the central crisis of the war” (77)
This seemingly prominent culture of fear the United state had come of age into explains the tendencies toward the extreme and viciousness of reaction when feeling threatened or when responding to an attack. In that they passed what Lepore call “Colonists vigilante justice” (138). As one of its practices any Christian Indian wishing to return to the English had to supply severed body parts of slain enemy Indians. As was done by James Painter, a Nipmuck Christian Indian, who when amnesty was presented, surrendered himself to the English settlers “ Bringing with him, as required by special instruction, the heads of two enemy Indians-testaments of his fidelity.” Lepore wrote

American Identity part 3

King Philip’s war took place during the year 1675 and lasted tell about the middle of 1676. At its end, as Lepore writes, “ Houses have been burned, children murdered, men beheaded. Hatred has accumulated.” (3).
It was a savage conflict where both sides were given to bloodlust. Both sides pursued the war with viciousness, and almost without mercy (Lepore 7). But here I am not concern about the behavior of the native, as much as it might be abhorrent to me, but I am with the English settler’s. For they have professed themselves better then the native in all way in particularly moral values. It was these same moral values that had justified to the English settlers their barbarous actions during the conflict. Moreover it was not just arrogance that had compelled them, fear had also played a part. What the settlers feared the most was their environment.
Especially when it seemed to have had conspired against them. “When the corn didn’t grow, when the weather turned wild, when the wolves howled, when the Indians laughed at God, these are the times when the colonists might have wondered, What are we doing here? Discouraged and afraid, thousands of colonists simply left- as many as one in six sailed home to England in the 1630 and 1640, eager to return to a world they knew and understood (Lepore 5). However those who stayed soon got over their many concern, as Lepore writes. “…those who stayed eventually learned to grow corn, predict the weather, shoot wolves, and ignore Indian blasphemies” (5). Though they were able to ignore “Indian blasphemies” they were not able to ignore the Indians living at their doorstep.

American Identity part 2

War, ethnic background, location and time all without a doubt have had a role in the formation of the American identity. However it was in my opinion a set of shared values that has most influenced the formation of the American identity. On studying the history of the united state one get a sense of deep-rooted sense of arrogance that was common among all the colonists.
A strong held belief that they were better then their follows; in all aspect of life, religion, education, economics and government. All colonists believed themselves better then the native with whom they shared the land. They looked down upon the native as savages and themselves as their saviors. The Spanish were cruel, the French sly and the English civil, in their efforts. No one would contest the cruelty of the Spanish or the underhanded dealings of the French (except maybe the people of the two nations) but many would the so-called English civility.
It is in examining the English settlers dealings with the native in particular their behavior in the events of King Philip’s war that one see how arrogance played a role in defining the American identity. There is however another factor, which I also believe, helped in defining the American identity, fear. From its beginning America was shaped by fear real and imagined. Combined with arrogance it was a strong force. King Philip’s war illustrates this perfectly.

party seris II

he told him "Your a Saudi you people dont drink? and I can see that you are doing it  excessively, how is that when we hear about islam and all that?"

 he replayed "I think I can give you some points on probably why, how, what, where, it might the drinking start. I can’t tell these as a facts, nor as a true explanation to Saudi drinking in general, at the end it always depends on the individual’s preference some actually don’t do alcohol but prefer pot for example which is sill considered haram (our word for forbidden"
 he told him these are not genetics like you guys tend to blame things, how come its always about race in here anyway ? nor religious reasons would is a factor, "I’ve seen both people with same gene codes as I am, and I’ve seen and met and befriended both, so the answer is no."

you have to understand that we are or we were a very private secluded people,  yet in the same time we want to get exposed to everything and try everything counterdetcing ? it is and maybe it should.

In the present of, or around our own kind, and by kind the I mean same city,tribe, or same school back home school, could be State school too, mainly males.
the fact is this, we dont because we want to be able to do it when actually can not!
this is normal for most of those who adhere to islam.
I can imagaine them going throguh the same thought process.

there was a joke circling around most desi people,
the joke goes like this, a drunk man goes into a resturant, whith two woman by his side, he sits down and order food, the food comes in and he asks the waiter is it Halal?

party series

Students do drink do party, do pretty much what any international student would do when invited to a 'party'. most of saudi student atleast those I met,  would fall into two or more categories.
this is about the two main ones, normally males, fall between the ages of 18-39,
in this case students from the ages of 18 to say 23 been the younger and anything above is the older.
Then there is the group whom are on Gov backed scholarships. and then there are those who their parents pay for their expense. the idea of a saudi student on his own expenses does not exist, not in my knowledge anyway. there is a small group of students who get to pay their own expenses for school and pretty much everything else. Through their own savings but they are indeed few, and normally they fall in the older category in their thirties or late twenties.

Female student also do party as well, but the nature of these female student is almost always elusive, meaning their family background, and so forth are not always clear.

INTERANTIONL/ MIDWEST STUDENT

Past day I went to a friends of mine’s international gathering party “thing”, as usual it had utmost similarity to all parties of that sort, drinks flowing (normally Beer), girls hanging around mostly sober, boys trying to hook-up with sober girls, normally the boys are drinking and the ones mostly dancing.

I figured this party for internationals in this state has never changed since time I’ve been to one the first time a landed here, that it”.
these parties almost always involve one or more of the, international student parties normally fall into either a “picnic” on the abundant grass fields of the country side, following with an activity normally volley ball, football, etc, and as usual drinks are always soft, smoking is no no. This particular night party at some guy’s home, in a forsaken neighborhood was something normal although, depending on who is making the efforts to do bring everyone, so if the party group responsible of bring everyone tonight are Latinos then the music is either gypsy kings etc I think and fast beat music will do, Samba tunes for the Brazilians, and tequila, for drinks, and Nacho for food…not always, some times there is no food at all. The company is as always guys who ask “where you from”, although normally they just approach you in Spanish. And then you would have to say something that implies that “I don’t speak Spanish”; sometimes this is the end of this chat, the person just walk away shouting something in their own language.

However new this time is this, students form India in particular, sometimes from Africa as well, are partying hard in Indian standard, that’s not to say they don’t, the do but if they did maybe few know about them, and these are their own people, not “outsiders”. here is the catch, I’ve hang around student from India, Africa, Saudi, Kuwait, Japan, China, Latin Americas (no one from Peru though), and I noticed mostly , very sober students, focused, good sense of humor sometimes totally just boring, post-incident, attitudes ; also all stereotypical aspects of schools and after schools plans and accents still float. But there is something new the excessive drinking in usually non-drinking students.

American Identity

It is a difficult task I believe to try and pinpoint the most predominate factors in shaping and molding the American identity. For from its beginning and throughout every period of its conception the united state had been a mural of different cultures, values and people. Unlike the Romans or the Greek before them who were made of cohesively connected people, in that they were all Greek or all Romans. In the united state no such factor existed.
Colonies established by the Spanish were loyal to Spain and held to Spanish values. Similarly those colonies established by Britain or Holland swore their allegiance to their respective countries. It was perhaps not until the revolution that such boundaries were demolished allowing the free exchange of ideas and values. Allowing a citizen to move form one city to another without having to worry about changing sides since now everyone was on the same side. Such exchange of location brought with it exchanges in values and culture. Still however the people remained different.
Of different ethnic background and of possessing different sets of beliefs, which is where the difficulty lies. Were those of British decent more influential in shaping the identity of the U.S or was it a different ethnic group? Was it perhaps the efforts of individuals that had contributed the most as might be suggested by the founding fathers? However even an individual had to have been influenced by the ethnic group that had sprang him.
If so was it the people then who were most influential in shaping of the American identity. To assume so does not take into account the nature of the land, a great expanse of it uncharted and occupied by indomitable or not yet pacified natives. Or take account of the time, which was one of great turmoil. War was common, with the natives or among the colonizing countries of the time. So was it war and conflict that had most influenced the formation of the American identity? But even war had to have been influenced.

To school and job or to school and sport,

I was chatting with a friend of mine, she mentioned something about her self and how she used to be in her swimming team back when she was at school, I would assume it was middle school or probably high school, either case, she said something about dropping from the swimming altogether because her parents feared that she might be too into the sport, that it will consume all of her time, therefore she wont be able to study and so on.

I told her well I understand that part, I come from pretty much the kind of social environment, in which the two options has to be either to become a doctor or and an engineer, nothing less to be expected,
I wondered about back when I was home, how the finals really were in everyone’s mind, in the whole family and the outside family and friends of both families, meaning even the people who know your parents, and knew you through your parents, and knew you because of your last name coincides with your family, rest assures, local Saudi papers will carry the final results, almost every high school in the region is here, and your name had to be there, or pray it’s on.

To become a doctor, is certainly cool thing, maybe, but here with all their lawsuits of medical malpractice, perhaps not, what I wondered about was why is it that parents who normally not doctors as well, felt that their children had to carry on, their legacy with a medical degree, a degree in medical is not hard, its long and boring, and it been a science major, science in your mind had to be strong, I knew doctors relatives of mine, in knew doctors good and bad ones, almost all of them, including the ones on TV documentaries seemed that they are init for the money